I’ve had my baby for 4 years now no issues at all until today she bite my finger when I tried to take her out (I take her out almost everyday) any ideas why or do you think it was just a one time occurrence?
By - ClearMajor188
Yep that can happen, don't take it personally ;)
Haha cool she is my best friend and I want her to be as happy as she can this is the first time in 4 years it has ever happened I don’t want her upset at all
I've had my ball come out of the tank and take a bite at my hand before. The minute he realised it wasn't food he went back into his home. Good as gold otherwise. Just one of those things. Also, just for reference, a hamster bite is way worse than a ball python's :)
I agree with your last statement considering a snake's never bitten the tip of my finger off, but a hamster sure has.
Cool I take her out every night and she loves it sadly she is my only friend so I don’t want her to be angry with me at all plus it sucks being stuck in a tank when your supposed to live freely but it’s a lot better than what her breeder had her in
Lemme guess....plastic box?
Yeah that shit makes me so angry I hate breeders so much most of them are scum who only care about money not actually caring about the living creatures
Plus, If you Dislike the way she was Kept in, you just encouraged to have more Snakes like that, same thing as buying wild caught animals
As someone who uses Plastic Boxes, Its Because of Space, not because we don't care about the Animals :v
Something. Something about hoarding?
No nothing about hoarding 🤣 do some research lots of snakes do better in plastic tubs. Aquariums have issues retaining heat with a heat pad, and lights can be bothersome to many snakes because they are nocturnal, also it costs a lot more replacing bulbs than using a pad would. Along with that snakes need belly heat to digest properly, lights don't really give them much ability for that. Another issue, aquariums have problems maintaining humidity because of the screen lid, so more maintenance keeping that up or your snake will have issues shedding. Another thing to add to the list is many snakes are shy so tubs make them feel not so exposed and stressed out like an aquarium would.
All in all tubs can be a much better home for many snakes for so many reasons and for the most part are FAR superior to an aquarium as long as it's the proper size.
Please before you start bashing other people in the hobby make sure you know the facts yourself and why they are doing so.
Uhhh never said anything about aquariums. So please don't put words in my mouth!
" lots of snakes do better in plastic tubs"
Compared to what??? Terrible enclosures?!? Yeah, no shit. A proper enclosure is far better than a tub and anyone who disagrees is someone who does not care for their animals.
Actually delusional to believe otherwise. People who keep many snakes or breeds snakes will say the opposite because they cannot provide the space or proper conditions for said snakes. It is an easy way to make themselves feel better.
90% of your comment is comparing a tub to a improper enclosure and "maintence". If you do not want to put the time into caring for an animal than don't buy an animal.
Obviously it's easier to obtain proper temps and humidity in a tub. Doesn't make it better for the snake.
I've done both in my 15 years of owning reptiles. Had many different snake species and some were even venomous. Plenty of experience and in all my years of experience, every snake that had a large enclosure utilized the entire space. Every single one.
There is such an amazing Difference between Reptile Breeding and Hoarding that even i'mm a little impressed by tge the comparison LMAO, do you Reaaly expect every breeder to have giant 20+ Gallon enclosures for all Species and each individual reptile? Unless everyone lived in a Mansion that would be physically imposible considering even a small Reptile like a Leopard Gecko can Lay up to 22 Eggs.
What? Re-read please.
If they don't have enough room to house the animals properly, they have no right to be breeding them. This is why puppy mills are bad. Don't be stupid.
Probably just in bad mood, I've been tagged at least once by every animal I've ever owned, it happens don't sweat it.
No worries 🤙
Its normal. Side note, how big is her enclosure? It looks kinda too small (and dry) for a ball python.
I agree she should have a bigger tank but no luck finding any bigger than 50 gallon near me but with the humidity i always keep it at the suggestion on the paper the seller gave me
Tall tanks tend to be hard to controll humidity if you can diy build your own and make it shorter and long enough for the snake to stretch
Unfortunately I’m not skilled in that kind of craft but it would probably be a so much cheaper doing it that way I have a 50 gallon tank and can’t find any bigger at my local pet stores
I mean at least add some branches and stuff to retain moisture also its good for enrichment, where are you from if i may ask ? I may be able to offer some advise on how to get your hands on some
Thanks that is info I could actually use also I’m from Cincinnati Ohio
I don't know who sold you the python, but you might want to read the [reptifiles](https://reptifiles.com/ball-python-care-guide/) guide on ball python care. It has some important information that many sellers don't mention.
The picture legit shows it at 45 humidity right before I mist that out it to 55 recommended is 50-60
yo bro idk why you keep needing people to show you any evidence of humidity because this person did, hours ago, and you instead decided to choose confirmation bias research instead to act like you know what you're talking about.
Its actually suggested to keep humidity in a range between 60 and 70% at least, and it shouldn't be allowed to drop below 55% :) analog gauges are also very inaccurate, I suggest you invest in a couple of digital gauges instead (Acurites work great and are very affordable!) Due to the type of gauge you're currently using, your humidity is likely even lower than what is being read. Misting only gives a short spike of humidity, which can do more harm than good. Watering the substrate is a much better alternative. As for enclosure size, just make sure the length of the enclosure is equal to or longer than the snake, and there's enough space for climbing enrichment. Wish your baby the best!
Thanks for the page but you must not know what your talking about her humidity level is exactly what that page says as well and it was from a breeder at a reptile show where I bought her
I would definitely do research outside of what the breeder recommended, so you can be well rounded in your knowledge rather than lacking. Especially since in another comment you mentioned you hate breeders. always do plenty of research on your animals, before buying and years after. Information is constantly updated online!
I do a lot of research I’ve read over 20 articles so far and I don’t want to be against others but evey single article I’ve read and my exotic vet agrees with me and haven’t had any of these people bring in evidence to support their statements
You need to go to r/ballpython and take a look at their care sheets etc. They have tons of info.
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Listen. You seem like you want whats best for your animal and care about her a lot. If you want your snake to be living it's best possible life, please listen to what we're saying here. Do some research on how ball pythons live in the wild, find some articles covering PROPER care for pythons (like the article i linked before) and spend the energy to get your snake a better living space.
Yes definitely want the best for her and I’ve a lot of research over the years a tremendous amount of research today and I’m soaking up a lot of what has been said today and yes I’ve done research for home care and how they live in the wild and EVERY article all state to have the humidity at 60 is perfect that’s how it is in the wild in only climbs up to 70-80 humidity during the morning legit over 30 articles at this point so everything else I will listen to the advice besides for the humidity part until there is at least 3 articles stating otherwise
You could easily find a bigger tank on amazon
No offense but you literally were trashing the seller in another comment saying how suboptimal their conditions were and yet so are yours and now u cite taking their advice as ur reasoning.
Look into Iris totes from the container store. They’re 55 gallons. My ball python thrives in his and it’s a lot of room.
A 50 is Definitely enough for a ball python the pictures didn’t get the whole tank so he probably thought it was smaller than It is.
How? A 4 ft ball python can't even fully stretch out
Not really true. A 50 gallon works great for juveniles, but realisticly, an adult needs around 80-120 gallons of space to explore. It is a common myth that larger enclosures are stressful for them, but whoever came up with this was an idiot.
Side note: a 50 gallon tank isn't actually that big for most reptiles. I recently set up one for a few small geckos, but a larger, 3 ft snake should have an enclosure at least double the size of a 50 gallon to be truly comfortable.
Just out of curiosity where did you get this information?
Lots of research. Specifically, I looked into several different articles discussing cage sizes for snakes, including the [reptifiles ](https://reptifiles.com/ball-python-care-guide/) page i linked before. I also watch the YouTube channel "Reptiles and Research" and his most [recent video](https://youtu.be/pdWies0okKE) goes over how snakes need more space than is typically provided.
Just for ball pythons specifically, what are the negative affects of putting one in too small of a space?
Do you want the full answer? If so there are many negative effects, such as:
•raw rubbed snout
•loss of appetite
•loss of thirst
•overall uninrichment and unhappiness
Ball pythons in the wild, contrary to marketing "propaganda", don't just live in termite mounds and holes their whole lives. Rather, they are actually very active, semi-arboreal snakes that spend long periods of time exploring and hunting. While males are seen climbing trees more often, females will also scale tall branches to hunt birds and their eggs. They live in relatively tropical, forested areas that can actually grow quite humid, and are prone to becoming too dry. When you consider how these snakes actually live in nature, the way most people keep them in captivity is rather inadequate for them.
I don't own any snakes right now, but a good rule for all reptiles (or even all pets) is to give them more space than what they minimally need. While most people say that 80 gallons is the absolute bare minimum for a full grown Ball python, if I were to get one, I would probably set it up in a large, 150- 200 gallon enclosure to give it multiple opportunities to explore, climb, and perform as many Natural behaviors as possible.
I’d argue. Not really true. Multiple breeders keep them in enclosure/bins way smaller than 50 gallons. We have the majority kept in bins and they thrive. Are they happy? Not sure. Do they have space? Yes because they can slither their whole space over and over since they are very flexible. 50 gallon enclosure is more than enough and more than given. No one keeps them in larger enclosure unless it’s a single family pet that is very treasure or just in a very nice display. I had ball pythons my whole life and they never had a problem being in 50 gallons and less. Plus they take their pet out everyday so the size issue isn’t even an issue. At that point the tanks just a hide.
You obviously didn't look at any of the sources I provided. While people have been keeping snakes in tubs and racks for years, new information strongly suggests that these animals do need much more space than what we provide them with.
Also, you can't always assume your snake is happy in its enclosure. Unless you speak parseltounge, you can't ask a snake if it has a problem and would like more space.
No offense but a breeder’s job isn’t to make ball pythons live happy and enriched lives, it’s to breed as many BPs as they can to make profits. I place very little value in what a breeder thinks unless they’ve displayed lots of examples of how they are more than just a snake mill. And sure a snake is flexible and can move around an area but I’m sure you’d be pretty upset if 22 out of 24 hours everyday you just got to pace your bathroom. But hey you fit and can still
move so clearly that’s all you need to survive. And yes I know humans are more intellectually and emotionally needy but I think the point is still valid.
Very well said.
I use people in a closet as an example when I talk about fish bowls.
Sweet I try to spoiler her as much as possible that’s my little baby unlike the breeders they disgust me
Yeah it’s nice to see a pet owner so concerned about their animal, you’re defiantly doing something right if she’s only bit you once
Yeah it surprised me she never showed any aggression also thanks I’m actually in college to become a wildlife biologist I love animals more than anything in this world ha
The humidity levels are exactly what the suggestions are and it’s a 50 gallon tank I don’t know her size but I can’t find any bigger tanks at any pet store near me
You need to up your humidity. 60% is the BARE minimum for ball pythons. 80% is way more ideal.
Where do you read that at EVERY site/book I read said to have it at 50-60% even her exotic vet told me to always keep it at 50-60%
Dude you must be crazy
Most sources say 60% minimum, and the best care guide show 80% no one here is lying to you
Yes you’ve possibly seen 50-60% but just because you see a few of the hundreds of care guides doesn’t make those the best sheets to go by
Most sources online say 60 percent. 80 percent is recommended for a difficult shed. The native range is between 55 and 70ish in Central Africa, with obviously higher humidity occurring in the morning due to the mist rising. I'd say 60 is a good place to be, maybe 65.
Sorry but I’m going to stick with what the actual professionals(not breeders they are scum) tell me I legit just read 10 different articles about it just to make sure and they all say 50-70 and only let it get to 80 when they are in shed
Hey man, those articles are hella outdated. Lots of misinformation out there, don’t take it personally. People here just want what’s best for your reptile. Personally, I’ve found that keeping humidity between 70-80, my ball is more active and sheds much better then just keeping it at 80 when sheds. Health professionals, for both humans and animals, often have outdated information, as once you get your degree and license, you aren’t required to keep up with the standard of care that is current
I understand that they want the best but without any evidence I can’t listen to what people are saying majority of the articles I’ve read were written in the last 2years I’ve brought her to two different exotic vets who both said that she is extremely healthy and her scales look amazing there isn’t one thing wrong with her she is extremely happy and healthy I take great care of her the humidity has nothing to do with this and should of never been brought up not one of you people claiming I should rise the humidity has any evidence to back up your statements I don’t want any false information getting spread
You can find anything on the internet, for any point you can always find something to back it up.
They all said 60 is the ideal and only 80 when they shed that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time?
If the snakes never been in the wild then it’s not that big of a deal. I would actually say it could do more harm then good but that’s just me. Also you mind showing me those sources and professionals?
Legit just read their humidity in wild is 55% thru 70% and only goes to 80% in the morning I keep her humidity at 55-60 it was only at 45 right when I woke up before misting
55-60 is terrible. Ball pythons spend most of their time in burrows where humidity can be over 90%. They are a tropical species, anyone who tells you otherwise has the wrong information that is outdated. Not sure why you’re so against this, the only thing we’re trying to do is help your ball python that you care so much about
If you can show me multiple articles from professionals that support what you are saying then I wouldn’t question it but every article I read and my exotic vet I’ve been taking her to for 4 years say to keep it from 50-70 never let it get highs unless shedding
Yeah I want to help her as well(nothing is wrong with her) every shed is one piece and healthy but I can’t find any information to support what your saying over 20 articles I’ve read state 55-70 and only let it get higher when she shed
I’m also interested in these articles as most of the articles that I found said the 55-70 was a-okay, and the only ones that mentioned 80 percent humidity was to help with shed and in the morning
Since nobody has mentioned it, if you were handling her food, maybe just moving her frozen rats around in the freezer, she may have smelled it and gotten confused
I did touch her rat last night but washed my hands since took a whole shower ha it happened when I tried cleaning up her poop under the other basking spot that she was not in at the time
Your replies are just…. Yikes….
If you really cared for her as much as you say you do, you’d heed others’ advice and put aside your own ego..
She might have thought you were food or maybe she got surprised!
Ha yeah after second thought I think it was because I lift up the other basking spot(not what she was in) to clean up her poop
Maybe just wanted to know hoe this weird finger thing tastes like. I eat new stuff I haven't tried before all the time
That gave me a good laugh 🤣
Remember they are still wild animals, they will just do that every so often
Baby prolly just wasn’t feeling it that day.
If I did food prep and forgot to wash up, the reptiles I worked with definitely wanted to try a bite lol. 😑
Her humidity looks a bit low. Ball python humidity should range from 60-80 percent, even higher when she is in shed.
I know these cages are big and a bit pricey, but I'd def recommend Zen Habitats 120 gallon enclosure for your snake. It's always good to give your baby more space ;)
Tagging is normal. She's probably having a bad day. Lol!
Haha yeah I definitely want to get her a bigger tank but I live in a tiny apartment as is and her tank takes up half my room but where do you see to have it at 60-80% my exotic vet I take her tells me she is in wonderful condition at that I should keep humidity at 50-60% unless she is shedding then I can up it but not to much cuz it can make sick
60% is the bare minimum humidity level for ball pythons. Anything lower can lead to shedding issues and respiratory infections. 70%+ is the way to go. It won't make her sick.
I'd ask on r/ballpython too they have some good tips :D
Thanks for the input but I’m going to listen to the advise my actual exotic vet tells me he has over 20 years experience with it and knows a lot more than others who didn’t go to college for 7+ years
Just saying, going to college 20 years ago and staying up to date with keeping standards are two different things. I don't mean that your vet doesn't know his field of work, I am just saying that his information might be outdated.
I second the recommendation to look into r/ballpython, there are care sheets and reliable sources you can look into.
Yes I agree with that statement but everyone arguing about the humidity has not given any evidence to support their statements and legit over 20 articles I just read today have all stated to keep humidity to as close as 60 as possible
I mean, you can just look at the humidity of their natural habitat.
Uganda averages at 80% the whole year, Cameroon 80% with 2 months that dip into 60%, Ghana 80% half the time 70% the other half, Ivory Coast 70-90% with a 3 month drop to 50-60%, Nigeria 70-90%, Guinea 90%, Liberia 80%, Benin 80%, etc.
But 60 is fine. It’s the minimum recommended, but it’s still fine. Very pretty girl.
Thanks a lot I appreciate it
I want the best for my baby but I legit can’t find one article backing up the statement made about having humidity over 70% legit not one so please give me evidence never had one issue with shedding in 4 years I’d rather take advise from an actual exotic veterinarian instead of people on Reddit who can’t even post an article backing their statement up
Lots of vets give shitty advice. You could also listen to the people who have owned exotics for years and have had their own experiences and their own trips to the vet.
Please stop being rude, we are only trying to help.
Edit: dumb typo lmao
Not being rude at all I appreciate the help but no one is giving evidence backing up their statements and legit over 30 articles now at this point all back up my statement also like 10 people who own ball pythons as well so I’m just confused where you guys are getting your info obviously I’d listen to professionals and current ball python owners I’ve had not one issue with shedding/fessing in the past 4years whoever brought up the humidity should of just kept their comments to themselves because 90% of everyone I talked to agree that the humidity should be 60% so please give evidence if you disagree
Well I mean in their natural habitat the humidity is from 60%-80% and it's important to mimic their natural habitat as much as possible.
Just a little oopsie. I'd rather my ball python bite me than my hognose (first bite ever). Swollen hand going on three days 😅
Oh yeah that doesn’t sound fun haha
aren't they not supposed to be handled very often? i get mine out about once a week, and that's only if i catch him while he's not hiding
Maybe every day is a bit much for her. I have bp's that don't care and some that despise being handled lol
Ha yeah you might be right but she loves exploring I know I wouldn’t want to be stuck in a cage everyday
Neither would I, but snakes enjoy tight spaces, it makes them feel safe. A large open area can stress them out as it leaves them open to predators. In the wild they cram themselves into small hiding spaces and only come out to bask or hunt. It does my head in when people are like "oh but they need space to roam around". They literally hate it lol
Not all ball pythons hate it every animal has its own personality she loves coming out and exploring she knows exactly what time I take her out each day she goes to the same spot every time
I just said that in my last post :P
Also do some research on ball pythons as wild animals, not pets. You can better cater for their needs then instead of your needs
I have done a lot of research on them and can’t find one article saying to have it over 70% unless they shed they ALL say to keep it as close to 60% as possible and not one person has anything to back up what they are saying I legit am in school studying wildlife biology and have a lot of professional I consult with saying my personal needs is just an ignorant comment ha
Ha? Mature. So why are you asking here then, you clearly know better. BTW, i breed them, have done for over 6 years. Very successfully too. I really doubt you're doing anything of the sort judging by your responses. If you take anything from our interactions, just remember there is a huge amount of misinformation on how to keep ball pythons as a pet. Learning comes from herpetology knowledge and practical experience. Best of luck with your snake
It mentions they feel safe in small spaces here
Haha thanks for posting an article backing up my statement of having humidity at 55-60 please go back and read that
Humidity? We were taking about space my friend O.o
Haha, that explains why I had no clue what you were talking about, I think you've responded to the wrong post
Sorry I have a lot of people keep saying stuff about I should have the humidity at 70% or higher that 60% is terrible don’t care to argue about the space as each ball python has their own preference for space they like to burrow in small places but they also like to get out and sliver around if they are comfortable with their owner
Maybe she’s having a bad hair day 🤪
Snek sometimes gonna snek. Is the way of the danger noodles.
Maybe she didn’t want touched?
Haha I needed to take her to clean up poop
AJ we’ll probably a one off. Best wishes
Either hungry or you scared it. It’s normal.
She ate 3 days ago I feed her once a week she usually is super happy to spend time with me always a sweetheart I also don’t feed her live rats only frozen but 2 weeks ago I feed her a medium rat to see if she could eat it but it took her a lot longer to actually eat it so I only got her a small rat this week do you think that could be it?
Just a mistake. It happens. Every so often one of my scaled babies nip at me when they mistake my motions for the motions I make while feeding them, or when they get excited about something. It always startled me, but then I’m so quick to comfort them, because I don’t want them to be scared by my startle. Lol
Is she about to shed?
Nope I can usually tell when she is about to shed plus she shed 2 weeks ago also she never got angry when she shed I’ve had her 4 years
if you feed her inside of her enclosure she might have thought you were food, i wouldn’t take it personally though!
Is she in shed or hungry?
Nope not shedding the tank just looks a little dirty and just feed her 3 days ago
Wow, probably just in a huff then
Ha yeah this is the first time in 4 years she showed aggression I love her an don’t want her upset at all
Nah I doubt you've done anything, all animals have bad days or get grumpy.
Thanks I appreciate it
Where did you get the bear
It was at a local pet store she has had it the whole entire time
Probably hungry, hot, or just in a mood. Snakes will be snakes
Did you have ANY animal sent on you at all? If not, you might have spooked her.
my beardie Eggs is a total mommas boy, never bit me but sometimes he'll do a threat display because I reach for him too quickly or sometimes he just has a bad day
Where do you feed her? If you feed her in her home, then there is a good chance she mistaken your hand for feeding time. Always feed them in a separate enclosure but I am sure you know that. Give her a nice petting before you grab her too.
Had a friend's juvenile ball python embed its fangs into my shoulder... the only "reason" we could come up with was a really loud truck passing outside (vibrations). "Snakes be snakes" was how we chalked it up. As far as I'm aware I'm the only person she ever struck...
Your first issue seems to be that you've put a snake in with your tiny bear.
She's only bitten you once in 4 years. Probably just in a hissy mood.
she probably thought she was being fed
if you hand feed her that's the reason
Do you feed her in the enclosure or do you take her out and feed her in a separate bin?
I feed her in a separate bin that’s smaller than her enclosure
I strongly recommend feeding inside the enclosure, moving to feed is completely unnecessary and can be stressful for the snake, risking regurgitation.
Is that true I’ve always read never feed them in the same enclosure they live in that it can cause them to be more aggressive and think that anything that goes into the tank is food that’s why you feed them elsewhere so they don’t get confused and know they only eat when they are in the different environment
That's outdated information. Your python smells the difference between human and prey. If you feed with tongs and heat up the frozen thawed prey it shouldn't be an issue. As long as you didn't touch the feeder before trying to handle your snake you should be fine.
Cool thanks I appreciate the input I want the best for her she is usually a sweetheart guess she was just having a bad day or didn’t want me to throw her poop away haha
Happens to the best of us :) maybe you just accidentally scared her or something. Happened to me too
That’s a total myth. Sure, if you only stick your hand in to feed them, they might associate you with food. But as long as you handle them consistently they will not. Definitely start feeding inside the enclosure.
Cool will do, yeah I handle her every single day unless I had a long day or go camping or etc. I’d rather not have to have two tanks in my room as my apartment isn’t very big legit was the first time she ever showed aggression but after like 6 mins she was staring at me thru the glass looking like she was sorry not aggressive when I was close
But either way she’s never had any issues during feeding and this is the first time she even tried to attack in 4 years I honestly think it was from me moving her other basking spot to clean up the poop
I haven’t kept snakes in 15 + years, but back then it was advised to me to not feed them in their cage , but put them in a large paper bag w the mouse for feeding. That way they do t think your hand is food when picking them up