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The episode was great up until they showed the Zoya video.

The episode was great up until they showed the Zoya video.

emotionallychargedbb

Agreed 100%. The episode is good, but after that the whole vibe becomes so disney channel that it doesn't fit the show. Also, the whole thing how Julien expect to humiliate Zoya by showing her vandalizing the school is kinda weak. Sure it's a bad thing to do, but other kids are not gonna be like 'omg she's so bad lets cancel her' for writing on her old school wall. Nobody's gonna care. So... yeah the ending was not that great.


Kcatlol

It was soo weird… I was expecting the video to be something so wild. I’m not sure why Monet and Luna would want Julien to show the video so bad when it clearly is Zoya getting bullied. I’m also not sure why Zoya spray painting a school’s wall would make everyone view her SOOO differently.. That entire scene just had me cringing like really bad, I don’t think I’ve ever cringed that bad. 😭😭


SmallTownBigDreamz

I thought it was going to be a video of Zoya beating someone’s ass for no reason 😭 I’m so underwhelmed.


Kcatlol

Same I thought it was gonna be a really bad fight or Zoya just straight up bullying someone.. or even like a sex tape which would’ve really really been CRAZY.


DreamCyclone84

My money was on sex tape with a teacher. And how do these two masters of social manipulation not know that all a video like that is going to do is bring people flocking to Zoya's defence.


GiveMeShontent

wtf why would you think that?? that is so fucked up.


DreamCyclone84

The way they were all acting like it was so scandalous and everyone would turn against her. And they don't care about drugs, and her character doesn't seem like she has a violent streak. Plus she and her dad were hinting that she was kicked out of school/couldn't go back. All I could think was that a teacher manipulated her into a relationship and she got slutshamed and blamed when it all came out. And nothing gets a girl slutshamed quite like a sex tape.


GiveMeShontent

I think that’s titf, especially for a 14 y/o.


DreamCyclone84

As fucked up as it is, pedo teachers do that shit all the time and school boards will victim blame to save reputation and funding.


GiveMeShontent

Maybe, but it’s not plausible because the case would be too high profile since it involves a minor and all copies of the footage would be seized. On the rare occasion that someone is possession of the sex tape, it’s even less likely that they know gossip girl exists and sends in that tip. At least with the actual footage with Zoya in the lab, the plot is a lot more plausible than what you suggested.


DreamCyclone84

Most of the cases involving minors aren't that high profile, names are often kept out of the news if they even get reported and it's almost impossible to get every copy off every phone, laptop, tablet, and cloud especially if it starts circulating around the student body. Also the tip wasn't sent in, the gossip girl teachers went looking for it calling the admisstrators at Zoya's old school and Julian's henchwomen contacted Zoya's old friends.


magmavire

I'm pretty sure their plan was to make Zoya want to leave the school, it didn't matter if people came to her defense or not.


iSocialista

It didn’t make any sense. Monet wants to do PR and thought her client publicly embarrassing her sister by using a video of her being badly bullied would…do what? And the show seems to keep flip flopping on if Julien is nice and relatable which is why everyone likes her or if she’s this big bad queen b that will hurt anyone that gets in her way, including her sister, by any means necessary. Even though it’s probably not over, I’m glad they made up in the end because this sisters at war plot is really not giving what they thought it was gonna give. Monet and Luna need to find something else to do.


tdalindsay

> And the show seems to keep flip flopping on if Julien is nice and relatable which is why everyone likes her or if she’s this big bad queen b that will hurt anyone that gets in her way, including her sister, by any means necessary. I don't think the show is flip flopping I think the whole point is to show that she is a nice person who has good intentions but when she gets emotional she can be selfish and vindictive. Thats probably why lunet built her up because they could manipulate her into doing what they want.


iSocialista

I see what you mean but for me, I’m seeing a serious disconnect between two sides of Julien. I can’t tell who she’s supposed to be. I’m just not getting nice and relatable girl that does mean things when she’s upset. It’s more like she’s really two different characters. There are specific examples from this episode and previous ones I want to point out but it’s late and I’m tired lol


mathymate

>It didn’t make any sense. Monet wants to do PR and thought her client publicly embarrassing her sister by using a video of her being badly bullied would…do what? Monet and Luna discussed replacing Julien because she was changing and becoming a deterrent to their plans. It was foreshadowed that Luna and Monet plan to use Zoya as a tool for power.


iSocialista

If the goal was to embarrass Julien and uplift Zoya, their actions would have made sense. But Lunet were pissed when she cut off the video and they showed no signs of being happy that their plan worked. I think fans are grasping at theories and head canons to make things make sense when these things are just that…theories and head canons.


mathymate

That was their goal. They made constant comments about this since episode 2. Luna gave Zoya a makeover to test her out, Monet made several statements that Julien's change in behavior will cost her a PR internship and force her to work in biotech, said she should have spent time working with Zuri Cruise and Zahara Jolie-Pitt, and Milo made a similar statement that Zoya will rise because Julien is losing her social standing during his political rant. Luna and Monet both know Julien's past actions are hendering their life goals and making preparations to replace her. They both knew what the full video showed and still played it anyways, even though they could have stopped it before it got to the end.


iSocialista

That whole Zoya makeover test as a possible replacement for Julien storyline ended last week. They were back on the get Zoya out of Manhattan train again this week. Nothing shown this week says otherwise. Zoya’s presence is hindering their success with Julien and she is no longer seen as a possible replacement, which to them means they need to get her out.


mathymate

Luna and Monet also want to replace Julien, even though that person might not be Zoya, which they discussed at the beginning of this episode and prior episodes. Luna and Monet repeatedly said Julien is a liability for three episodes straight and working against their life goals. This is all in the script.


iSocialista

Okay.


mathymate

>I think fans are grasping at theories and head canons to make things make sense when these things are just that…theories and head canons. This comment towards me didn't age well after seeing how episode 5 played out lol. Maybe pay attention to the script before being rude to people for making predictions from the breadcrumbs the writers left. Okay?


iSocialista

You are EXTREMELY weird. I never said Monet would never try to sabotage Julien, I said that she wasn’t trying to do it with the video of Zoya. And NOTHING that has happened in episode 5 changes that. Theories and head cannons are fun, and you are free to indulge in those, BUT THEY ARE NOT REALITY. Monet was not trying to sabotage Julien at that point, things shifted after that when she saw that Julien was now serious about connecting with Zoya. It was clear that Monet was hurt, particularly in the beginning of the episode when she was talking and Julien was ignoring her for Zoya and things went downhill from there. Julien continued to ignore Monet and her advice, Luna was actually warming up to the idea of Julien/Zoya taking over as sisters and Monet realized Julien was too far gone and was done. I am honestly dying at the fact that my comment has been burning a hole in your chest for a week and you took the first opportunity to come back and remind me. There is no degree in Gossip Girl Reboot Theories and Relationship Dynamics. I should read the script? No. Perhaps you should get a damn life.


mathymate

Imagine getting this hostile over a TV show. Not going to read all of that, but you sound mad. Writing in all caps doesn't make you right but go off, sis! With peace and love, you sound extremely angry, volatile, and hostile and lack critical-thinking skills. I hope you find light and happiness in your life because it sounds like you need some positivity to get rid of all that hate. But okay :)


MicoTL

Honestly, if the pacing of the series is anything like the first 4 episodes, the show is only going to get one season. Might as well drop 6 episodes that ends on a cliffhanger, then another 6 after a hiatus to conclude season 1. The plot is too slow and too PG, apart from the sex scenes. This is what the writers get for trying to please everyone, they gotta push the envelope a little bit more. It's quite tiring to see a reconciliation at the end of every episode between J and Z. Where's the fire? The smoke? The white flag? The perfectly timed, campy soundtrack? There's also too many characters and plots which all end up neglected due to the lack of depth and context, and even if there is and the writers are merely attempting a slow burn plot, I reckon all the viewers would have given up by that time. As a responsible viewer, I did not compare it to the OG GG. That's unfair and will basically set up the reboot to fail. edit: NOT loving the "Julien Elizabeth, Zoya Jane" thing. It's annoying and repetitive, just like the good terms- misunderstanding- take down- reconciliation plot literally every episode.


laynestaley67

This was more underwhelming than Serena's I killed a guy secret.


inabaaadmood

i didn't know people thought it was underwhelming for me when I watched it for the first time I got sick and got terrible vibes from that scene lol but I was also 12. I don't know I thought the execution of that plot was excellent.


Use_Alarmed

What if they are taking down Julien instead? Like Julien is obviously not the society influencer they want her to be anymore so they want to ruin her image.


mathymate

That's exactly what is happening. Monet and Luna repeatedly said this, and Luna went as far as to give Zoya a makeover to test Zoya's desire for power. Then Monet said she wasted time on Julien when she could have chosen Zaraha Jolie-Pitt or Zuri Cruise. I think people are missing a lot of bread crumbs.


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BiscuitWoof

Don’t make fake bread crumbs when there’s not even bread there The shows a mess and it’s been more than enough episodes to judge


mathymate

And we see Monet sabotaging Julien and Zoya, and finding a new PR project in episode 5. Lovely breadcrumbs the writers left


IdolFlash98

I think Julien thought the later part of the video would've had something that would have done just that. Of course, it was shocking but not in the way she thought? That's at least what I figured happened there. As for Monet and Luna, I think it says a lot about them that they felt like that video would "destroy Zoya" and not garner immense sympathy for her? They are mean girls/bullies themselves and probably see someone whose bullied like that as "weak." I do think it was resolved a little too cleanly at the end, but who knows if things will stay good between them.


emotionallychargedbb

Julien has seen the video since several eps ago though


IdolFlash98

She says that "she didn't see this part." at a certain point. Earlier Monet said that she obtained "the director's cut." which implies it was an extended version of the video she originally saw.


emotionallychargedbb

Did Monet tell Julien beforehand that she's gonna show the director's cut? I thought Julien just wanted to show the Zoya vandalizing her old school wall, and thought that's gonna be the 'shocking' part.


kekelakes

I think missed this part, can you explain where it happened ?


emotionallychargedbb

Ep 2. Julien asked for juicy detail about Zoya to GG in exchange that she 'uncancel' them. Kate got the video from the 'older looking' (forgot her name) lady friend who knows a person who works at Zoya's old school and sent it to Julien. At the end of the episode Julien made up with Zoya so the video is not used for anything.


alpharatsnest

Yeah I really thought Julien's speech was the worst part of the whole episode. She's like "I'm a bully, I'm a bully" but she really hasn't shown herself to be that much of a bully so far. Zoya thinks she is because of the strings Monet and Luna are pulling behind the scenes but overall she's actually been pretty nice to Zoya and likable and empathetic in general. So it really rang hollow. And how could Zoya forgive her after her airing that video and not even 1 minute later pivoting like "I'm such an awful bully and I'm so sorry!" Makes no sense. Bad writing. I'm so disappointed in the way the show is going so far :( I loved the OG and saw so much potential for this show and there is so much that I do like about it but since we are only getting so many episodes a season I just feel like the writers have failed to make the most of the screen time we get. I did like Milo (at least he can provide a nod to the outrageous cattiness and scheming of the OG one even if no one else is) and the dads becoming friendly though.


OverjoyedMess

Does Julien at least finally realize that those two girls don't have her best interest at heart?