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“The black reminds Kim of Seol, though he’s never been there. For special occasions only.”

“The black reminds Kim of Seol, though he’s never been there. For special occasions only.”

Greider_3399

That quote; in which scenario does it appear? °\_° Ah, and here you have my award, of course.


cardo_de_comer

thanks! this quote is not from the game itself but from the description of the Kim's aerostatic crew jacket in ZA/UM atelier


Greider_3399

Oooh\~, I see.


Woodcharles

Eh, this seems at odds with Kim's little outburst about how he considers himself completely Revacholian, has never been to Seol, doesn't know a word of Seolite and never even met his grandparents. This is a somewhat complex little tidbit we learn about him, this emotional rejection of a heritage he has no connection to, and has been much-discussed since the game's release. Then they go throw a little line in there on the merchandise website... I don't know if it's maybe an error or they're doing a JK Rowling and dumping character u-turns on us by the back door.


lurkinarick

dunno, seems pretty realistic. Even if you reject it with all you might for very valid reasons, maybe some part of you can't completely get rid of any curiosity or link to a part of your history, eh?


Woodcharles

It does seem realistic, I guess I just wish it was explored in-game and not on a shop site. But then, the game isn't Kim's story so maybe that's why.


PhDinDildos_Fedoras

My take, based on what I felt after reading the "DE is anti-Asian" thread is that this probably should have been explored more. Kim has become such a beloved character, even if it's not strictly his story, he and his looks figures in it in such a major way.


lurkinarick

do you have a link to the thread?


PhDinDildos_Fedoras

This is the one. It's not exactly endearing: https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/mpr725/the_video_game_disco_elysium_promotes_asian/


lurkinarick

oh lord, what a mash-up of bad faith bullshit


dunwall_scoundrel

Had a massive frown while reading the thread - lots of BS there to be sure.


bos_turokh

No I can relate to that pretty heavily. You try to reject, try to ignore it and blend in but its still a part of you and you make your own little personal connections with it


1-800-555-NOPE

I can relate. I'm a quarter Finnish and I've never left the United States, yet sometimes I have the urge to build a sauna and drink reindeer urine.


PhDinDildos_Fedoras

Having visited Finland, I can understand. It just looks so different there. Really makes you want to chug down the warm deer piss.


samsara_suplex

Once you scrape the surface he seems full of contradictions, which, hey, aren't we all?


SmoothOrdinator

for example, being a Moralist and still looking back fondly on the Revolution and their aerostatic crews. (Honestly though, that seems like the case for the RCM as a whole)


samsara_suplex

I read him as a lapsed Moralist. He believes in the RCM and in Revachol, not anything bigger or broader.


recalcitrantJester

trying to connect with a motherland you've never seen is a pretty commonly-explored part of the experience of cultural integration. how is it a U-turn lmao


Woodcharles

Commonly-explored, yes, but strangely not done in the game. I appreciate, though, the game isn't there to tell Kim's story - I guess I'd have still liked to see complex, thought-provoking lines like this in the game and not on a shopping site.


recalcitrantJester

I think we can all agree that we're hungry for more of this cast of characters; still, I appreciate that the writers didn't wanna lay down all their cards. sometimes ~~jazz~~ genre fiction is about the ~~notes~~ character arcs you don't ~~play~~ narrate.


AngrySasquatch

Just because he doesn’t consider himself a Seolite doesn’t mean he rejects his heritage in totality, that’s impossible. Even if for the most part it’s Kim defending himself against racists. Perhaps that reminder in the description is a silent thing—a little momentary thought rather than a “JK Rowling” tier U-turn.


Synn69420

As someone who's born in a country that is not my motherland, I'd say it's not actually that far off from reality. It's always a weird balancing act. Trying to convince your fellow countrymen that you may look different but in fact have lived alongside them all your lives, but also recognising that your family's history is from a completely foreign country. Seeing Kim defend himself against racist honestly reminds me a lot of myself, always trying to convince others that I am a proper citizen of this country, but also quietly wondering how it must be like to have grown up in a place where I don't have to do all this. Also, despite Kim opening up a little more throughout the game, he's still a very reserved person. I doubt he'd completely reveal everything that's in his head to the protagonist, so him quietly reminiscing about a country he has never been to but has vague connections to doesn't seem too out of line for Kim, if at all.


Woodcharles

I agree it's a really complex issue and one that I feel could have been explored in-game, perhaps, rather than on a shopping website. Keep the big reveals for the in-game world :)


Synn69420

Ahah well, maybe it's a habit the devs got from the old days of gaming where bits of lore can be found in the game manual that comes from the disc (or as one may say, "outside the game"). I see what you mean though 😄


vgloque

one of the major themes of the game is experiencing memories that aren't your own. Of course Kim could have pangs of nostalgia for somewhere he's never been it's completely normal.


Woodcharles

I'm not denying it is - in fact I agree that he likely thinks of Seol more than he lets on in his single monologue on the topic (two, if you count another prominent one.) I agree that him thinking of Seol is more realistic, expected and common than the notion that he does not do so. The only point I'm making is that I'd like lines like this, plot threads, hints, suggestions and other story-related points of interest to be literally within the story, and not tacked on to a shopping website.


Greider_3399

At least Kim's gay card has already been played :D No JK Rowling move possible in that regard.


ruminro

beautiful!


aondoe

Beautiful!